“Double Down” is a weird episode of Law & Order. When an armed robber kills a cop and takes a hostage, the prosecutors agree to a deal under duress to find out where the guy is before it’s too late. Then, detectives Briscoe and Curtis have to, shall we say, word their testimony carefully so they don’t undo Jack McCoy’s strategy to put the perp away.

It’s a lot, which is why I couldn’t pass up the chance to talk about it with my pals Kevin and Rebecca on the podcast THESE ARE THEIR STORIES. Learn more here, or listen below: